1. Conditions
2. The club supporting the site / Le club supportant le site: The "E" Team, HG > Wiki > Elsinore.
3. Events / Evénement: None.
4. Bulletin board / Tableau d'affichage: None.
5. Articles
6. Schools / Ecoles
7. Lost and Found / Object perdu ou retrouvé: No info.
8. How to get there / Comment s'y rendre:
   • Grand Ave LZ parking: Google Maps.
   • Edwards launch parking: Google Maps.
   • E launch parking: Google Maps.
9. Maps / Cartes
10. GPS coordinates / Coordonnées GPS
11. Site frequency / Fréquence du site: 144.120 .
12. Insurance / Assurances
13. Lodging / Hébergement
14. Restaurant: No info.
15. Car rental / Location d'auto: No info.
16. Image
17. Video or Animation / Vidéo ou Animation
18. Cross Country / Vol Voyage
19. Hazards / Dangers

Conditions

We are hoping for North-East (45 degree) winds and for the on-shore breeze to create a convergence at mid day. By order of interest:

• Forecast:
  • Windgram, for wind direction and altitude ceilings: Soaring Predictor (click "Elsinore", Archive). Understanding "Wind Barbs". Alternate website(s): FlyMarshall.
  • RASP (Regional Atmospheric Soaring Predictor) for Southern California: Soaring Predictor (Older version). Typical sequence:
    • Select day and time.
    • Select a parameter like "Sfc.Wind (10m)".
    • To change the opacity of the data layer: Click the "+" or "-" icons in lower right (Old version: Use slider in the upper right, or mouse's center wheel).
    • Finding flying sites: Click the layer icon in the upper right, enable the "Sounding/SkewT". Hover your mouse pointer over the markers, names appear.
    Alternate website(s): FlyMarshall.
  • Soaring Predictor (updated daily at 7:30 AM).
  • Lake Elsinore forecast (Weather Underground): Hourly, 10 days.
  • Lake Elsinore forecast (Weather.com): Hourly, 15 days.
  • Look for a fire nearby (associated air traffic):
    • Watch Duty.
    • InciWeb.
  • Look for a TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction):
    • SkyVector.
    • SoaringData. Transforms local TFRs into a KML file for visualization in Google Earth:
      • Center airport identifier: sbd (San Bernardino International)
      • Bounding radius (stat. miles): 100
      • Airspace in Google Earth KML format
      • Append special use and ATC-controlled airspace uncheked
      • Type "Soar" into this box: Soar and press Submit
    • SoarCal / TFR. Click the map icon to visualize the TFR over a map.
    • FAA / TFR. Set "State" to "California", then click "GO" next to it.
• Current:
  • Holfuy: Edwards launch weather station + E launch weather station.
  • It should be good for flying if the average North wind is not more than 20 mph (32 km/h) and not gusting at more than 30 mph (48 km/h) at Crestline:
    • Weather station "Simba" placed at Crestline (higher and to the back of Marshall). Expect Crestline to be in the clouds if the relative humidity is above 95%, or the temperature is within 1°F of the dewpoint (not shown anymore).
    • Windtalker: 909-338-3362 (Wendy). Accurate for North winds.
  • Synoptic Data.
  • Weather Underground, station just above Mike's LZ: Daily summary, Other nearby stations.
  • El Cariso weather station (near Edwards launch): CDWR (graphs) + CDWR (text).
    • Mitch McAleer says to add 40 degrees to the reported wind direction to have an idea of what is happening at Edwards and the E.
    • Gavin Swain says: Generally N means it's blowing in and S means it's blowing down.
  • Visible Satellite Loop + InfraRed Satellite Loop by Weather Underground. If there is more than 20% cloud cover, don't expect to gain much altitude.
  • Radar animation - Lake Elsinore (Weather.com).
  • Radar animation - Bakersfield (Weather Underground).
  • XC Skies.

Articles

• Mike Masterson, 1999/1/25.
• The Elsinore Shearline, Rob McKenzie.

Schools / Ecoles for paragliding operating at this site.

Ordered alphabetically / Ordonné alphabétiquement:

• None. Consider a school at Marshall.

Maps / Cartes

• Google Earth: Local points of interest. A great way to explore this flying site in 3D.

GPS coordinates / Coordonnées GPS

Description	Latitude	Longitude	Altitude (ASL)
E launch	N 33° 37.789'	W 117° 22.287'	871 m (GPS*)	2857' (GPS*)
Edwards launch (closest to LZ)	N 33° 38.307'	W 117° 23.231'	850 m (GPS**)	2788' (GPS**)
Grand Ave LZ (as of 2019)	N 33° 39.545'	W 117° 22.687'	398 m (GPS**)	1305' (GPS**)
Marina LZ (as of 2008)	N 33° 39.960'	W 117° 22.620'	380 m (GPS**)	1246' (GPS**)
Everyday Mike's LZ (as of 2008)	N 33° 37.980'	W 117° 20.700'	412 m (GPS**)	1351' (GPS**)
Oak tree LZ (In litigation as of 2018, DO NOT LAND THERE)	N 33° 39.026'	W 117° 22.602'	448 m (GPS**)	1469' (GPS**)

* GPS = Bräuniger / Competino, using WGS84. WGS84 (World Geodetic System 1984) is the Standard Geodetic Datum & the common reference datum used for civilian aviation world wide. More info: Mean Sea Level, GPS, and the Geoid.
** Google Earth.
*** Reported GPS altitude, to be verified.

For a great way to explore this flying site in 3D, see Google Earth's Local points of interest in the Maps section.

Insurance / Assurances

• You will need to become a USHPA member and it's not expensive for the 1 month membership. Just contact one of the Schools so you can take the one month membership for 10$. It is good all over the US for the 30 day period.
• Tu devras devenir un membre de l'USHPA et ce n'est pas cher pour être membre pour un mois. Tu as juste à contacter une des Ecoles afin de prendre le membersip d'un mois pour 10$. Ce sera bon pour tous les sites aux Etats-Unis pour une période de 30 jours.

Lodging / Hébergement

• No Info.

Image

Pictures I took (click thumbnail to open full size image in a new window)
Photos que j'ai prises (clique la petite image pour ouvrir la photo pleine grandeur dans une nouvelle fenêtre)

	2006/7/1	At 8000' and looking down at launch, and the LZ.
		A 8000' et regardant en bas au décollage et l'atterrissage.
	2006/7/1	At 8000' at looking at the Pacific ocean.
		A 8000' and regardant vers l'océan Pacifique.
	2006/7/1	At 8000' and looking North at Santiago Peak (6k).
		A 8000' et regardant Santiago Peak (6k) au Nord .
	2006/7/1	Going XC to the East and looking back at Elsinore from Quail Valley.
		En vol voyage vers l'Est et regardant Elsinore derrière depuis Quail Valley.

Pictures/Images from others (click thumbnail to open full size image in a new window)
Photos/Images des autres (clique la petite image pour ouvrir la photo pleine grandeur dans une nouvelle fenêtre)

80 kB	1999/12/19	Picture by an E teamer, taken from 17999'.
		Photo par un membre du E team, prise depuis 17999'.
966 kB	2002/2	360° panorama of "Edwards" launch. QuickTime required. Click and drag the left mouse button to change the view. Thanks to "Thermal Dynamics".
		Panorama 360° du décollage "Edwards". QuickTime requis. Clique et traîne le bouton gauche de la souris pour changer le point de vue. Merci à "Thermal Dynamics".
435 kB	2004/5/2	Over the E launch. Picture by Bob Barry.
		Au dessus du décollage E. Photo par Bob Barry.
444 kB	2004/5/2	The LZ is in the bottom of the picture. Picture by Bob Barry.
		L'atterrissage est au bas de la photo. Photo par Bob Barry.
380 kB	2004/5/2	The LZ from the lake. Picture by Bob Barry.
		La zone d'atterrissage depuis le lac. Photo par Bob Barry.

Video or Animation / Vidéo ou Animation

• No info.

Cross Country / Vol Voyage

Before you go, know your airspace. For Google Earth: California 3D overlay for classes B/C/D and restricted military airspace.

• East:
  • If planning to cross the lake XC, call the Elsinore DZ (Drop Zone) at 951-245-9939 (Valid Nov 2024). References: CSS discussion, SDHGPA > Elsinore site guide.
  • Myself, Mark Kranz and Mike Estrada reach Soboba, 2006/7/1. 43 km (27 miles) straight distance.
    Google Earth flight path of myself (in blue) and Mark Kranz (in red).
    Pictures: Over Elsinore launch, Looking back at Elsinore lake, Arriving at Soboba.
• South-West:
  • Jérôme Daoust: E Launch -> Santiago -> Home in San Clemente (2004/5/2): 72 km (45 miles).

Hazards / Dangers

1. • Short launch. Reaching the LZ from the "E" launch will require some lift (easier from the "Edwards" launch).
   • Décollage court. Pour rejoindre l'atterissage depuis le décollage "E" il faut de l'ascendance (plus facile depuis le décollage "Edwards").
2. • Bill Soderquist, 2002/3/3: Northerly wind conditions are known to create a rotor on the south side of the spine at the "E" and is usually referred to as the Tuck Zone by the locals. During Santa Ana conditions, most pilots launch from "Edwards" Bowl because of the favorable conditions when it is North.
   • Bill Soderquist, 2002/3/3: Les vents du Nord créent un rotor du côté Sud de l'épine au décollage "E" et est désigné comme le Tuck Zone (Zone de Fermeture) par les locaux. Durant les conditions de Santa Ana, la plupart des pilotes décollent depuis le bol "Edwards" à cause de ses conditions favorables quand c'est Nord.